Ashisogi Jizo's poison breath is so deadly that once it comes in contact with you, your body immediately starts breaking down. Yeah, you have to consider that I'm talking about Pre-TS BB and Pre-TS Luffy, who would already be more or less in Urahara tier talking about power. As we've seen with Luffy vs Katakuri, Observation Haki can be countered by attacks comparable to, or faster than the user, and with Kisuke's attack speed being comparable to Fujitora, I don't think it will matter too much in this fight. And I admit I was wrong about how CoO works, but it still has some significant weaknesses, for instance, like CoA, it can be drained with excessive use, so I can see Kisuke spamming Kido attacks to eventually tire out Fujitora, which would lower his concentration and drop his guard, and since I consider Kisuke to be at least comparable to him in terms of speed, with Bankai, Kisuke can augment his own speed to be greater than Fujitora's, which would allow him to overcome CoO. Kisuke’s speed is definitely gonna play a major role in his victory, as he is childhood friends with Yoruichi, one of the fastest characters in the series, who he has trained with for years, to put this into perspective, they were both able to effortlessly blitz an enraged Yammy while again, they were both out of practice for years. Nami is constantly lightining timer since Skypea, I gave you several scans of her dodging lightnings from Enel, she even fights on equal terms against Kalifa, who is Lightningtimer too. With his Shikai, Kisuke is able to utilize a blade that is capable of manipulating a crimson energy capable of creating barriers, long range beams and nets. Nice, my final post would be available throughout this week. He is credited with incredible innovations and can be called on to outsmart even the wittiest of characters. Shunpo: A movement technique utilised by the Shinigami to move FTE to most people. The only counter that Urahara has to gravity crush is his bankai, And fujitora likely always starts his fights with gravity crush. And as I've mentioned in my opener, Orihime was able to react to multiple explosions going off, and that's fodder to Byakuya's petals which move even faster than that, meaning even early SS characters were MHS+, so this isn't really a problem for Kisuke at all. 10 Anime Villains Fans Sympathize With (But Shouldn't), Bleach: The 10 Most Tragic Deaths And Losses, Bleach: The 10 Toughest Enemies The Heroes Couldn't Take Down, Bleach: 5 Reasons You Should Watch the Anime (& 5 Reasons You Should Just Read the Manga Instead), Bleach: The 10 Least Impressive Swords, Ranked, 10 Incredible Bleach Cosplays to Check Out, Attack on Titan: 10 Characters Who Deserve More Screen Time, Dragon Ball: 10 Most Dangerous Villains Goku Fought Against, The Legend Of Korra: Asami's 5 Greatest Strengths (& 5 Biggest Weaknesses), My Hero Academia: 10 Plot Twists Fan Never Saw Coming, Is There A Thundarr The Barbarian Movie? So to finish this section of scaling which is basically a summary of what I consider important, after the 2-year Timeskip, Luffy is too powerful, and for Hody Jone's bad luck, he had to face Luffy in the fishman arc, First of all, fishmen double their power while their are underwater, while the power of humans is reduced by half. I pretty much agree with this scaling of the CP9 members, however, as I've already established, Kisuke is definitely fast enough to keep up with Fujitora, even if we do consider him high relativistic. Much like its user, Nozarashi is a pretty straight forward and simple blade to understand. 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Kisuke Urahara is the former captain of the 12th division and one of Soul Societies' greatest ever scientists. I know that MSH + is not enough for Urahara. Upper yard (The island that was launched in the air) is island/large island-sized, as it is larger than Jaya, in theory Luffy took running at maximum speed about 3 hours+46 minutesto travel from leblanck (X mark) house to mock town and return, during this timeline, luffy only went to fight Bellamy and collect the gold that Bellamy had taken, The fight against bellamy was a literal stomp and picking up this little bag of gold could not have taken him so long, so it is safe to say that most of the time luffy passed traveling the island. According to this calculator the horizon at 200 meters is 50km away, For the thickness of the cloud, I am going to use the data of the cumulus clouds that the minimum is 600 m of thickness, because if I use the one of the storm clouds which is 8000 m it is contradicted with the height of skypea (10000m), Formula to calc the volume which is 3.14(50000m)^2(600m)=4.71e12m^3, For the mass, you just have to multiply the volume by the density of the clouds on average which is 4.71e12m^3 x 1.003kg/m^3=4.71e12 kg (mass of the clouds). In this post I will not put conclusions, I will leave them for the final post, which is the one that follows this. Of course, Aizen is also a former captain and lieutenant of the 5th division of the Gotei 13. So before I actually get into the meat and potatoes of Kisuke, I feel like I should explain a few key terms in Bleach that I’m most likely gonna bring up throughout this debate. That’s pretty much it for the opener, best of luck to my opponent! Meaning, that while Aizen was looking at him and talking shit, Kisuke stepped back from his original position, took out a portable gigai, blew it to his size, left it in front of Aizen and just left the scene to go behind Aizen, I believe this is enough to prove that Kisuke is not only comparable to Aizen in terms of speed, but possibly superior as well. Fanpop is a network of fan clubs for fans of television, movies, music and more to discuss and share photos, videos, news and opinions with fellow fans. Shinji can even invert his words causing his opponents to become even more confused and disoriented. We also do not know how much damage urahara can regenerate, considering that a fujitora meteorite will simply vaporize him from existence, since it has no barrier that can withstand that power, nor does it have a way to avoid it, not to mention that Fujitora can stomp him against the ground, and as you say the only way to free himself, would be to use his bankai, but I doubt that he will get out of the range of a meteorite with country level AoE, without taking into account of course ... that Fujitora is much faster and has CoO for don't be surprised for his bankai abilities or any intention to hurt him. Additionally, this reconstruction ability can be used to modify Kisuke’s own body to increase his physical capabilities, as shown when he reconstructed his arm and was able to overpower Askin while in his Vollstandig form, as well as when he reconstructed his legs to significantly increase his already impressive speed, allowing him to blitz Askin. Ichigo in his True Shikai form was able to cross this distance within nine days. While I do agree with Luffy being a lightning timer since Pre timeskip, I don't exactly agree with Nami being a lightning timer, as she doesn't have any feats of dodging Enel's lightning IIRC. Fujitora´s biggest meteor 0.04=6,856.2 km (Country level), Fujiota´s smalles meteor 0.02=3,428.1 km (Probably large island level or small country level). Basically a Paramecia type fruit that allows him to manipulate gravity at his will. Full power G3+Haki > Half power G3+Haki > 25 pills hody + Underwater > half power Red hawk > 5 pills hody + underwanter > Hody 5 pills ond ground > full power G2+Haki normal blows>Pre-TS G3 > Pre-TS G2 blows (island/Large island in AP level via what i already said). Shunsui also holds the distinction of being the captain of the first division, and the former captain of the 8th division. Benihime's Bankai allows it to restructure anything it cuts. This release grants the user access to whatever ability their Zanpakuto uses. This is gonna be fun. The devastating flame Zanpakuto of the former Captain Commander of the Gotei 13, Genryusai Yamamoto. Left becomes right, up becomes down and backward becomes forwards. Byakuya can then control all these blades however he wishes. luffy was able to dodginglasers from the pacifista too. Reiryoku: A power aligned with the spiritual sensitivity and willpower of the user. Knowing Urahara, he's smart enough to determine the range of Fujitora's ability. But Rukia didn't unveil her own shikai until much later, during the early stages of the arrancar arc. Gin used this ability to beat down Ichigo multiple times. Yeah is a lift feat, but it doesn't matter because BB was inside that Blast without any damage, so it scales to his durability. Even if we do consider the lasers as legitamently fast as Kizaru's light, and do consider the PTS monster trio as Relativistic, it would be quite an outlier and contradict the scaling of the series, as if they were relativistic, they would have no problem keeping up with Kizaru. It grants Kenpachi even more destructive potential than he already possesses. His experiments have pushed his Zanpakuto beyond its limits, much like Mayuri. As stated above, Base Aizen is able to effortlessly blitz this version of Ichigo, and Kisuke scales to if not, above this version of Aizen, Now let’s actually get into Kisuke’s speed feats shall we? Even if we lowball this feat to only 200 million cuts per second, to put that into perspective, I’m going to use a real life example. The way characters would describe the quality of a Shunpo, is how fast a character can move from one point to another in the least amount of steps. If a Soul Reaper trains long enough, or employs Urahara's traning methods, they can gain access to the ultimate form of a Zanpakuto, the Bankai. Again "Continent Puller" could be another hyperbole, as we have no idea how big these "continents" are, and even if we do consider the legitimacy of piercing several countries together, this would, again, be a lifting feat, not an AP feat, as it would mean that Oars simply produces enough force to carry a certain amount of mass around, as he isn't destroying the landmass in anyway with his own striking strength, so I still wouldn't put Oars at island level. 1 Is a Fantasy Revenge Story That Treads Familiar Ground, 9 Characters Who Are A Better Match For Naruto Than Hinata, 10 Things Boruto Can Already Do That Naruto Couldn't (As A Kid), 10 Ways Naruto Has Impacted The Shonen Genre, 10 Supporting Anime Characters Who Deserve Their Own Spin-Off, Attack On Titan: 5 Anime Heroes Levi Could Beat (& 5 He Would Lose To), 10 Anime Characters That Are Just Like Seto Kaiba, 10 Superhero Anime Inspired By Classic Sentai Shows, Attack On Titan: 5 HxH Characters That Can Defeat A Titan (& 5 That Can't), Clamp: 10 Beautiful Illustrations By The Mangaka Group, One Piece: 10 Most Dangerous Villains Luffy Fought Against. His skin also turns red and he acts on pure instinct and bloodlust. Hopefully this clears it up a little. Moria's statement is a bit iffy in my opinion, since the quote "Nations that fell at his hands" is quite vague and could simply be a hyperbole, the statement could mean that Oars was able to take out the nations' military force and conquer the islands, the same can be said for "piecing several countries together", it could mean that he was strong enough to unite several villains together, not literally put together the landmass of the islands. Aizen even states that Kisuke could have beaten him if he didn’t have the Hogyoku. When Shinji spins his sword, a pink mist comes out of it and anybody who smells it gets hit with his sword's ability, "Upside Down World". So if we assume that the meteors are still significantly smaller than the hill, they would in turn be smaller than Pica's torso. Soul Reapers train and, after a while, they are given a Zanpakuto. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but the stream ripped apart only a part of the island that you posted, which looks pretty small in comparison to the actual island, and I would more so consider it a lifting feat. Much like Kenpachi's, this blade greatly enhances Ichigo's speed and power. This is what you’ve all been waiting for, Kisuke’s Bankai, and let’s just say this one is quite broken indeed. How do we know Nami's lightning has the same properties as natural lightning? @the_amongus: @pics: @plustenken: @yes0fcourse: @ecoblitz: @sauce_god31: @edgelord91: @highmantra_x0sp@wing_dings. As Urahara talks about the training ground, Ichigo tells Tessai that Kisuke has a habit of ignoring his customers and ranting. In its more advanced Bankai form, the number of blades greatly increases, allowing for more devastating techniques, such as gokei ("throat scene"). With Kisuke being much more intelligent than Luffy is, he should definitely be able to determine that Fuji's DF has weaknesses, such as not being able to pin people down and summon meteors simultaneously, or that his gravity can be disrupted and that it also has a range. Shinigami use Shunpo to enhance their physical speed to their limits in order to travel long distances, they aren't stated to use it all the time when fighting an opponent, meaning this was just Ichigo's raw speed. RELATED: Bleach: The 10 Least Impressive Swords, Ranked. Using numbers, let’s lowball a normal Shunpo to only Mach 1, and lets say Mimihagi took around 5 seconds to travel from the Palace to Sereitei, going off the manga panels alone, and we would get a solid Mach 120k speed for the Auschwallen, which is high end relativistic and thousands of times faster than lightning, meaning that Lilotto would have had to move at least at Sub-Rel speeds to dodge the beam. Kisuke is easily one of the best Kido masters we have seen in the series, as he is able to use many advanced spells without any chants, and is able to use Hado 99, which is the highest Kido number, with this in mind, we can safely assume that Kisuke is able to use all the kido in the series, but for the sake of this debate and for simplicity, I will be using spells he has shown to use in the Manga. Rukia was one of the first Bleach characters to appear; in fact, author Tite Kubo designed her before he designed Ichigo. Nake, Benihime: This is Benihime’s main form of attack. This hypnosis is absolutely inescapable once you fall under its effects, which may last for years and affect many people at once (that's how he fooled everyone into thinking Central 46 was still functional). The fourth season of the Bleach anime series was directed by Noriyuki Abe and produced by Studio Pierrot. So let's go to the important feats of this fruit. Ichigo is essentially batting away 12,000 Metal Storms firing at him at the same time with relative ease. but basically using the diameter of the meteorite of 6.8 km and moving at 10km / s (which is the minimum speed of meteorites) is country level in AP. Not counters to his AP or strenght since i agree with everything that you said, The feat the liltotto is a huge inconsistency for a simple reason, Liltotto was blitzed by Base Ichigo, when Base Ichigo at full speed took half a day to do the same travel as auschwalllen did in few moments. 4, Byakurai, Kisuke creates a red beam of energy that pierces his target, this attack was potent enough to pierce through a semi evolved Aizen, Altogether, this range of Kido spells will most certainly help Kisuke in this fight, as I can see him catching Fujitora off guard then immobilizing him with Rikujukoro/Sajosabaku, then finishing him off with Hado 91. This sword's shikai can also create a rain of hundreds of blades, and we saw Kaname use that technique against Kenpachi in the Soul Society arc. Kisuke is also able to manipulate his surroundings, as shown when he made a path for Grimmjow to take Askin by surprise. Now let’s get into the nitty gritty of Kisuke’s actual abilities, with his Zanpakuto, Benihime. Kisuke Urahara is the former captain of the 12th division and one of Soul Societies' greatest ever scientists. Because a way smaller meteor did this, his biggest meteor with small country/country level KE, They will leave craters dozens of kilometers in diameter, and with that AP Urahara will be vaporized if it does not leave the damage range of the meteors. Considering how easily Ichigo swatted away these petals, I think this is enough to put this version of Ichigo within the High hypersonic - Massively hypersonic range even if we disregard the statements and feats for Yoruichi. 63, Sajosabaku - A large light chain is created which wraps around the target and binds them, Bakudo no. If Urahara cuts the meteorites and does not absorb the KE the meteorites will still explode, so if they explode near him, he is dead. Urahara is one of the most gifted minds that has ever emerged in the Soul Society. mostly on AP and concentrated power rather than how much destruction their attacks cause. So this should be enough to put down your sub-relativistic scaling for Askinn, therefore you relativistic scaling for Urahara. Mimihagi was able to perform a similar feat to the Auschwallen, so we can use it’s speed as a comparison. because Fujitora no-selled all of Post-TS Luffy attacks at full power both G3 + haki, which is confirmed by nami herself to be lightining as itself and this proved by the that Enel can move the air around at the speed of light. Gin is also clever enough to boast about the blade's great length to distract his enemies from his fast it moves. Oars is stated to created a nations of villains, he literally created a nation of villains by piercing several countries together, we even had a canon imagen from OP-Magazine than shows him pulling an island. And as I've mentioned in my opener, Orihime was able to react to multiple explosions going off, and that's fodder to Byakuya's petals which move even faster than that, meaning even early SS characters were MHS+, so this isn't really a problem for Kisuke at all. This would put Pre-TS zoro/sanji mínimum at small island level in AP, All of this is important because a simple random pacifista is able to tank luffy G2, Zoro and Sanji at the same time (When those three characters are island/large island level), After the Timeskip, Luffy uses G2 against a Pacifista, and he is able to oneshot it by himself alone, demonstrating his great increase in power over his Pre-TS versión. But first you have to know the size of dressrosa, and basically we will use a fairly simple timelane, almost the same as I did with upper yard. Furthermore, Fujitora's Gravity Blade seems to have some kind of outline, meaning one can avoid getting pinned down as long as they aren't within this radius. Hado no. Disagree, using this same scaling, you can see that the Fujitoras meteorites are not that far in size from Pica's torso, and the flower hill is much larger. What’s interesting here, is that Ichigo is able to react to, perceive and dodge Buto Renjin while it was several inches away from him putting this version of Ichigo at least in the Quad Mach range. Yet, Pre-TS Zoro and Pre-TS sanji both were capable of deflecting Oars directs attacks, and not mentioning that Oars Zombie is more powerful than Oars alive as he not only has his body that already can do everything i already mentioned, but also you add Luffy's strength and speed to him. The average human walking speed is around 1.4 m/s (or 3.1 mph), so do the math, and the circumference of Los Noches would be 216 miles. Tensa Zangetsu, his Bankai takes this to another level. So based on all of this, it's easy to say that Fujitora is well above the country level via scaling and actual feats that i will put on the devil fruit section. Shinji is a former member of the Visored and current captain of the 5th division in the Gotei 13. And if need be, Rukia can replace the damaged metal blade with an ice one. These blades are too small to be seen with the naked eye, but appear pink when light refracts on them. In its Shikai form, this blade can extend at a rapid speed, with powerful force. Tsuppane, Benihime: Kisuke is able to analyse his opponent’s muscular movements and energy composition, so by drawing a red circle around his opponent’s attack, can completely neutralize it, Jutzu Tsunagi: First, Kisuke uses Benihime to trap his opponent in a net of energy, he then stabs his sword into the net, which creates multiple energy orbs that flood the net and detonate within seconds, which should heavily damage, if not kill his opponent. RELATED:10 Incredible Bleach Cosplays to Check Out. He can apply gravity or weight on people, he uses this to pin down his rivals. [720p]URAHARA 著者：nanaliz 2020-06-08 [720p]UQ HOLDER!～魔法先生ネギま！2～ 著者：nanaliz 2020-06-08 [720p]機動戦士ガンダム00 著者：sunshine 2020-06-08 [720p]喰霊–零– 著者：sunshine 2020-06-08 [1080p]俺の妹がこんなに可愛いわけがない 著者：sunshine 2020-06-08 As for some of his intelligence feats, he was able to hide a sealing spell inside a range of Kido he launched at Aizen, Within this same Kido spam, Kisuke hid a Hado that he created on his own, that was designed to catch Aizen off guard and burn him internally, which actually would have worked if it wasn’t for the Hogyoku, He was able to deduce the extent of Tsukishima’s abilities without even seeing it for himself, as well as deduce the advantages and flaws of the Quincy abilities during a single fight with a Sternritter, Kisuke actually predicted how Askin’s death would affect the surroundings by magnifying the range of his poison. Also, Zoro was capable of dodging multiple pad cannons from Kuma, and if the pad cannons are truly LS, then Zoro would be FTL pre timeskip, which doesn't make much sense considering Kizaru is being hyped up as the fastest OP character, to have a pre timeskip character dodging attacks that move as fast as he does would kill off this hype, which goes against Oda's intent for Kizaru, considering how he has put emphasis on Kizaru's speed multiple times. Anyway they damage Oars severals times during the fight either way, here-1-2-3. During the Fullbring arc, Kisuke had never seen Tsukishima in battle, yet going off what he heard, he was able to deduce the extent of his abilities, personally I would consider Tsukishima's Fullbring to be a more complicated ability than Fuji's DF, so I see no reason as to why Kisuke wouldn't be able to develop counters to it. @the_amongus: @pics: @plustenken: @yes0fcourse: @ecoblitz: @sauce_god31: @edgelord91: “If you lose credibility by just admitting fault, then you didn't have any in the first place”. I do not doubt that Urahara can deduce the functioning of Fujitora´s fruit, I mean it is not that difficult to do it, what I doubt is that he will find a way to counter it, without any feat that suggests it, for the sake of the debate, it is supposed to be that we debate with what the characters have shown, and Urahara if memory does not fail me, has never fought someone who uses gravity, so it is impossible to know what he is going to do about it or how he can counter the gravity. Luffy and company get stronger every time they have fights or past island, this is said by Zoro and Rayleigh says it too, so there is no problem with at least the monster trio when they reach shabondy, be more powerful or equal to Oars, the other mugiwaras obviously not. Assuming the gate was at its furthest distance away from Ichigo and the gang, and assuming they would need to take breaks, it would take a minimum of six days to travel completely around it just by walking alone. Also, we all know that the MT get stronger each arc, the thing is, I don't think this increase is as big as you're implying it to be, so it doesn't really make much sense for them to be suddenly equal to Oars in just one arc, especially since they got their asses kicked by Kuma in Thriller Bark. Urahara replies that it is a good question, but … The measurement comes from the distance to the horizon at the height that Luffy is in this moment, its about 200-300 meters above the upper yard level (Based in the fact that Luffy is well above those trees, these trees look like this compared to nami), it is seen how the clouds continue to extend to the horizon (The horizon at that height is at least 50- 61km), and is Logically that the storm clouds spread the same distance in all directions (Since Enel said that his storm cloud would engulf all skypea in total darknesswhich he indeed did), Luffy with brute force dispersed all the storm clouds. Dead Space: Extraction: Videojuego original de Wii y adaptado posteriormente a PlayStation 3, su historia está situada antes de los acontecimientos del primer Dead Space. law, Ussop and Robin took 30 minutes runningfrom the broken part of that bridgeto the green bit entrance. In its Shikai form, Benihime produces this crimson aura that Urahara can use to his will. This ability was the foundation of Aizen's plan to become God, and he almost succeeded. The knock up stream is a blast of water capable of launching an island (Other view)more than 10000 meters high in about 1 minute, basically I have all the necessary elements to calc the PE and KE of the blast. I think this example applies to Zoro and Sanji here too. As for the scan of him pulling an "island", we only see the front of it, so we don't really know how big it actually is, for all we know, it could be the size of a town or city. Based on this information, dressrora should measure around more 100km very consistently, so we can compare his largest meteorite to Dressrosa (To get its KE) and The Rubble he lifted (To get it PE), and to get the AP of the fierce tyger via pulverization. Fujitora has so much more range than Urahara that he doesn't even have to get close to do damage. Shikai: The initial release of a Shinigami’s Zanpakuto that is activated by a Shinigami calling out the name of their Zanpakuto. This is important, as Aizen is stated to be above all of the Espada and Shinigami (Bar Yamamoto) with just his base Reiatsu, which is why the Espada followed him. I think my post will be up in like a day or two since I have coursework to do, @omnihater: Yeah I'm working on it right now, so it should be up later in the day, "When you attack, you fear killing. Here are the strongest Soul Slayers in the series! A portion of dressrosa in the same scan (3.56) which is 64.08km. Soul Reapers, Visoreds, and even arrancars all use them, and we chose five more zanpkuto that ought to get a little more recognition. This can be used for a variety of purposes, such as stitching things back together so it can heal. RELATED: Bleach: The 10 Most Tragic Deaths And Losses. AP for vaporization/condensation, I could use KE, but I would have to look for a timeframe (which is little, Luffy did all this while still in the air) and the truth would come out something even higher than this, so ill use vaporization for practical purposes and to know how much powerful is Luffy for doing this feat. Let's start with Skypea, I'm not going to use Enel's feats because I really think they're unnecessary and with scaling of the Knock Up stream is enough for at least skypea saga. The idea is that they are so heavy, they kneel with their head bowed, as though apologizing.

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