And I trust Dave Howell over J.M. But in the time span between summer of '94 to summer of '95 a majority of card production had shifted to Jyhad and Fallen Empires, and after that 4th Edition. EDIT: Limited Edition Alpha (August 1993): 2.6 million cards / 1,100 of each rare. This again points to a total run of 10 million cards - the number that Adkinson had promised early on. With rumored God packs, Alpha rares in Beta starters, and any other possible collation problems, I still wouldn't count on the numbers to change with more than 10 copies for each card, and we're most likely talking single digits. interview with the magazine Cryptych that there had been 61,200 Every sheet has 121 cards, and Alpha didn't have a separate land sheet, instead basics were spread out across the other sheets. Tom Wylie in 1994 (rec.games.trading-cards.magic.misc; huzzah for BBS archives and old ftp servers), and in general seems to be the number in early official documentation by people who worked with the release. While there are 116 rares, 95 uncommons and 74 commons in Alpha, you can't just divide the number of rare slots in packs with the numbers of rares in the set. Typos, wrong casting costs, missing power/toughness, mistranslations, and even wrong art! by mystical_tutor » Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:00 am, Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests. And wisdom he had. That number would include most of the 175 million cards from the early expansions and core sets, along with the first drops of Fallen Empires and the first six months or so of Revised. by Tenacious_Dyl » Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:02 am, Post How much of these card that were sold before they ordered 4th Edition is anyone's guess, but judging by the speed with which the game grew back then and the sales numbers for the expansions before it, I'd be kinda surprised if it were less than 150 million. It should go without saying that minor misprints make it out into the public's hands much more often than the major misprints. far as I can recall, wotc hasnt released the production numbers on sets in the last few yrs. In the summer of 1995 we find this post on UseNet from Marc "Sparky!!" 1 Set details 2 Marketing 3 Misprints 4 References 5 External links For information on the mechanics and themes, notable cards, storyline, design and … Now I'm actually done. I guess we should also note that Alpha rares are very rare. Shortly after Beta had been finished, Richard Garfield noted in an A later (1995) supplement to The Duelist called The Complete Card list would however imply that the number was closer to 1,070 rares. $4.52 shipping. If you flip a coin 100 times in a row, you are going to get clusters where you have 8-10 heads in a row, even though it’s “very unlikely.” Real Magic packs are not random because they use a deterministic sequence to populate the packs – print runs. Yet orders of The Dark outstripped orders for Magic: The Gathering, Limited Edition by more than 7 to 1. written by J.M. Yup we were way off! Buying Cards. If they replaced all basics with deserts they would probably just have picked one of the two desert types. But he gathered the information he could find, bundled it together on a webpage, and added a disclaimer at the top noting that he had no inside info and that a lot of it was "almost completely guesswork". It had 295 cards and a mere 2.6 million print run. With that into account, I believe the November press release number was slightly wrong (it might well have quoted an earlier number on the Magic ftp), and when that number was repeated in the 1995 Duelist it snowballed into general acceptance. 1 MTG Arena Promo Card ; This slot is for a promo card good for a booster pack on Magic: The Gathering Arena. I again blame Scott and the Brothers of Fire for pushing me down the rabbit hole to actually try and fact check these old numbers. Another source is a Duelist issue which claims the print run was 300 million cards. The Sets above represent Magic’s Standard format. Moderators: cataclysm80, Apocalypse2K, berkumps, dragsamou, mystical_tutor, pp, hammr7, l0qii, Post Its counterpart was the Mightstone. (I'm french and my english is very poor so I apologize in advance) but all on this website is a gold mine. This print run intended to fix some of the errors with Revised, including the … MTG! And given that we know we should have around 6 million cards (maybe slightly less) in starters from a statement from Dave Howell, that would put the total run at some point just below 36 million cards, with 1/6 of the cards in starters. And it only had two print sheets. The only thing thats seem wrong is that a c2 for deserts seems a bit low because of its "tribal" affiliations (Camel, Desert nomads). For example, 1960's Topps all had print runs of over 250 million cards and significantly less than 10% of those cards survived the decades. 9 These cards have a limited print-run of 50-150 world wide, depending on the expansion and a few factors described here. While Alpha God packs might be nothing more than a rumor, there definitly were a handful Beta starters with Alpha cards. 3.9 out of 5 stars 10. It was clear that players were buying a lot more boosters than that, and as such Wizards knew they should shift more cards to boosters. After re-reading Scott's own (excellent) article on the set, it started to dawn on me how most every resource online that talks about print runs comes back to D'Angelo's estimates, and that so much random stuff we've found over the years cast new light and perhaps better accuracy on some of the "accepted truths". Let's go. So the basic lands was supposed to be on the common sheets and was removed/replaced but with what? I´ve always wondered about the c11 (desert) in Arabian Nights. It also has more cards than Arabian Edit: found my post. A lot of deserts though. Now we reach a point which I think might be a source of some small estimation confusion. I know I've criticized numbers from The Complete Magic Card List and Official Encyclopedia earlier in this post, and if someone can give me any good reason that the number is in fact 40 million I'd be happy to change my mind. Carta Mundi increased their capacity quite a bit over the next year, and by mid 95 they could produce 90 million cards each month. All; MTG Arena Download free and experience Magic right on your PC. Apparently there was supposed to be basic lands in the set but they removed them in the eleventh hour. White, the then-editor of Scrye Magazine. Revised is very hard to get a good grip on, but as it is part of the card pool for a majority of the world's OS groups and I believe the current popular estimates (500-600 million) are off by a factor two or three, some notes are warranted. This white-bordered set consisted of the same 302 cards as the Beta print run. The Summer Magicprint run of Revised Editionwere printed in the summer of 1994. The rarity distribution in a booster is 1 rare, 3 uncommon and 11 commons; in a starter it's 2 rares, 13 uncommons, 45 commons. In reality, no cards would have been uncommon at all. But as it stands, we have a production manager saying that the printing got truncated to make room for other products, and two official sources (along with early estimates from D'Angelo) putting the completed run at around 35 million. Another clue would perhaps be to look at the rarity of the two desert type, is regular c10 and mirage c1? Source for those claims are from the production manager here: http://howell.seattle.wa.us/games/mtg/anfollowup.shtml. All that taken into account, I would put the print run of Revised at around 200 million cards, give or take some tens of millions. And this (yours, which should be above mine):Thanks! It aligns well with plans to not print to demand (interpreted around 220 million), but having some wiggle room to adjust during the summer as new stores pop up. Some of these had questionable official numbers, and some had nothing but hints or nods. This If the lands had been c2 then desert would also have been a c2 (and two distinct desert types, regular and mirage (tent)?). Thats a bit low regarding lands. Mtg Wiki is not really possible; it defies logic both in regards to what little data we have from WotC on the subject, and the capability of the printers at the time. The initial print run of 2.6 million cards sold out quickly, and a new printing run was released in October 1993. It premiered in a limited release at Origins International Game Expo in 1993, with a general release that August. But your walls are better. For that reason WotC reduced distributors' orders of The Dark.". Two separate releases from The Duelist in 1995, along with a November 1994 press release (by Carrie Thearle) placed the print run at 62 million. And that's where we, the full nerds, take a deep dive into UseNet archives from March 1994, to find a topic regarding expected availability of Antiquities, where the discussion moves into people complaining about the current (non-)availability of Unlimited. In April 1994 (when Revised was released), Dave Howell mentioned that 50 million cards had been printed for the set at the time. All sources point to 15 million cards, or maybe slightly over. rares in Legends very small print numbers. We do know that pre-orders were to the tune of 900 million cards, though it is of course possible that WotC didn't want to fill the pre-orders (like they decided against with The Dark, and in a sense Fallen Empires when they stopped those presses in January 1995, though it is notable that the white bordered 4th wasn't intended to be "collectable" and limited the same way as black bordered sets were). Math checks out. This would put Beta on 7.9 million cards. crossed Atog was new to me! This first printing contained 295 unique cards, and was a very small order of just 2.6 million cards total. It is likely the set that has suffered the most impactful collateral damage. Never . In an era before wizards.com or The Dojo, there was D'Angelo and his collection of wisdom from the internet and beyond. A couple of other suggestions are of note however. The vast number of different This 2.6 million estimate has since become the most common go-to number, but looking at information from the actual production manager and other sources closer to the printing, 2.5 million would be the best bet with some margin. All this taken into account, the most likely print numbers for The Dark are: Jesus, this took a lot of time to dig through, cross-check and calculate. Unofficial (from Magiclibrarities) Print runs Arabian Nights: 5 million Antiquities: 15 million Legends: 35 millon The Dark: 75 million Fallen Empires: 350-375 million Homelands: 220 million Ice Age: 500 million Alliances: 180 million Mirage: 400 million Visions: 180 million Weatherlight: 180 million Tempest: 400 million Stronghold: 180 million This somehow felt like the fourth or fifth most time-consuming article I'm not sure where those numbers came from. Free shipping. raw download clone embed print report. Here goes what I have so far. As you are probably aware, WotC had originally told all distributors that if orders were placed by a certain time, WotC would guarantee that those orders would be completely filled. (As 5,000,000 isn't divisible by the print sheets, it is likely that the actual number was something like 4,999,720 or 5,000,204). MTG Arena Tabletop Magic Online. Printed on 100% cotton watercolour textured paper, Art Prints would be at home in any gallery. My guess would rather be something like the different light/dark printings of commons having originally been basics. I base this on information from production manager Dave "Snarke" Howell in 1993, which was noted in e.g. The first one is something pretty much everyone admits to being guesswork; the distribution of cards between starters and boosters. While looking at and considering purchasing vintage Magic The Gathering Cards, most people eventually come to the same question: How many of these cards were printed? ***50x Snow-Covered Lands*** 10 of Each Modern Horizons Full Art Land MINT Magic. In early documents, we hence often find 7.5 million as the print run for Beta. There were a lot of FE cards everywhere in early 1995. Great for New Players. The light printings of the commons doesn’t really align with the cards on the uncommon sheet, so I suspect that they were added at a later point of the sheet layout. WotC has always felt that our Deckmaster line was more than just a game. Could it simply be based on this random UseNet comment from June 1994? I thought it would be interesting to try to tap the resources in these forums to aggregate information about print runs of sets. Then we have one loose comment and a bunch of circle-references on non-official websites stating that it was 40 million without apparent basis. of each rare" suggestion. That particular article was I did however watch some (2) Arabian booster openings and cards were either from the dark och light printings and if the dark printings was the land subsitutes they would have been mixed with lighter ones in the boosters. All in all, things work out if we have a print run of 35 million cards with 1/6 of the run in starters and 5/6 in boosters, and get kinda weird otherwise. Schmalz: This 500 million number would include all of the expansions up to Fallen Empires (though FE had a good number of unsold cards in stock still at this point) and every core set up to and including Revised. Every early (and late) source points to Arabian Nights having a print run of five million cards. In the end, we get this (rounding to nearest 100) : As with Arabian Nights, the Antiquities print run is not really a contested number. Fantastic post, thanks for your hard work on this MG. Another NetRep around that time is noted to have quoted the set to about twice the size of Legends (i.e. Got proper lost in UseNet groups for a while there, and my The Duelists don't have ctrl+f. this is another topic but what pleasure playing a 40 cards(ABC) deck drinking a TIPA or imperial stout looking opponent smile watching this crazy hand !In any case, thanks for these numbers this will become "THE" source of numbers-chougnoul-, I wanted to create an account but I cannot comment other than anonymously. That would mean if you assume a boosters/starter ratio of 75/25 about 100.000 rares of each type were printed. by l0qii » Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:22 am, Post All data from the excellent Scryfall. impressive google skills! MTG always had psuedo randomization in packs, both paper and online. He had some very solid estimates, but as the Internet grew D'Angelos numbers somehow got repeated as the singular truth over the web and beyond. I can´t find the source though so the argument wears thin. The number of U1s in The Dark would then be 25.2 times as many as the U1s in Limited Edition. Everyone tend to agree that Wizard's had moved from away from thinking the average player would buy something like one starter deck and four boosters as their Magic collection when Unlimited was made. Perhaps they replaced all basics with deserts? Wonder where the 1,100 estimate of each Alpha rare came from? When you are interested in purchasing magic cards there is a wide variety of options for purchasing, each … Ah, finally an easy one. official.comments.and.PR.1993 at the Magic ftp (marvin.macc.wisc.edu). I believe I have access to pretty much all the written sources D'Angelo had at his time, along with perhaps a handful more thanks to excellent books and some better information on the print sheets and printing process available. The second thing I'd like to challenge is the full print run. I guess the most common estimates for 4th are somewhere between 500 million to 700 million. @Jonas: I suspect that Desert were supposed to be super common, Deserts were an integral setting for a lot of stories in Arabian Nights, and a couple of cards (Desert Nomads, Camel) hint at a prevalence of Desert in Arabian Nights card pools. 21 times as many cards as there were in Limited Edition (given an Alpha+Beta run of 10.4 million cards) works out to 218.4 million. Then, in late August 1994 (later the same month as the set was released) we find this clarification post from Tom Wylie: I believe this is the actual number. If the odds were as high as one in a hundred, that would still only add an addition 10 or so copies of each rare (and I suspect the odds were far lower than that). ... Kindle Direct Publishing Indie Digital & Print Publishing Made Easy Amazon Photos Unlimited Photo Storage Free With Prime: Prime Video Direct Video Distribution Made Easy : 70 million cards). about 300 million) and "approximately three times the size of all previous Magic expansions combined" (i.e. As Carta Mundi had a capacity of around 15 million cards per month back then, and Revised started its print run in February, this makes a lot of sense. This will be deep nerd and very number crunchy. MTG Press v4.4.0.50 However, there's a small however. Barely know why I'm even spending time on these expansions, as the opinion of the internet hive mind appear to be pretty much identical to my own calculations. Magic: The Gathering contained approximately 300 different individual cards. It was a rare thing though. This information includes: - Details on how many cards were printed in the first seven sets of Magic The Gathering (Including a complete list of known print volumes by card). This is pure speculation, but it kinda makes sense and does add up ;)Regarding “Mirage Desert”; I’d guess that that is printing/layout mistake akin to “Hairy Runesword” or “Crossed Atog”. A number of Alpha rares were to be found in Beta starters. The Dark contains approximately 100 cards. Ok, so this one gets a bit more tricky. So this post is my truth on 93/94 era print runs. These errors are usually present on an entire print run, partial print run, or a specific language version of a card. role, but probably not one deeply involved in print runs, and I believe he was slightly off. I would love to end here, but feel I should add a couple of notes on Revised, Fallen Empires and 4th Edition. So, given 2.5 million cards, 50/50 split between Starters and Boosters we'd reach these numbers (rounded to the closest 10): Total number Alpha basics: 837,300 (there are more Islands than other basics, but divide by five for a decent estimate of each land). As a big craft-beer-oldschool-player I really appreciate all these informations. by Tenacious_Dyl » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:28 am, Post $8.95 shipping. Removing “version b” of the commons with two versions would open 19 more slots on the common sheet, which could be used for 4 copies of each basic land on the sheet (combined with the single Mountain already on the sheet). is a very specific number for these kind of things, and works out almost perfectly if we have an Alpha run of 2.5 million and a Beta run of 7.5 (the number adds up to 61,295 to be exact). White on these kinda things. MTG Print Runs (By Sets) Post by Tenacious_Dyl » Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:46 pm I thought it would be interesting to try to tap the resources in these forums to aggregate information about print runs … That would mean around 6 million cards in starter decks. Scrye noted 63 million. (for reference, common rarity numbers :1@C1 (mountain), 1@C11 (desert), 9@C5, 16@C4 )well, I´ll stop rambling now, sorry./Jonas, Damn, I accidentally deleted Preacher and my own discussion regarding the darker printings on the Arabian Nights common sheet and how basics could have been intended to distributed on the sheets. So in this case I'd actually like to turn to The Duelist Complete Magic Card List (1995) and The Official Encyclopedia (1996) as references. Ok, last one. Well, in WotC News in The Duelist #3 (fall of 1994), Wizards noted that 300 million cards total had been sold at that point. It is reasonable to assume that these cards were split 50/50 in boosters and starters, as it has been documented that Beta was split in that way and Alpha is basically the first shipment of Beta. This number was repeated by e.g. Sometimes people just make mistakes and with all the language and print variations there is plenty of room for things to go unnoticed. This would mean that they printed more Alpha rare sheets than they needed in the original 2.5 million batch. Learn more about the format HERE. I've read 40 million cards on a lot of random sites, but I have no idea where it came from. The only printed reference to Alpha rares in a Wizard's publication was in The Duelist #3, where they noted 1,400 cards. Magic the Gathering Alliances Booster Pack 12 Cards. Anyway, 35 million Legends cards give us something like this (rounding to closest 100 as usual): The distribution in Legends boosters would imply there exists three times as many uncommons and eleven times as many commons as rares. The D'Angelo Files and Crystal Keep were the go-to sources of Magic information in the early days of the web. by jamesbond » Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:21 am, Post Also the web I guess. I've ever written. As production manager, Dave Howell would likely have the most accurate info on these things, and there's really no reason for him to make that number up, as it makes the "collectible limited edition" less rare and exclusive, and it's a confession that they messed up their the plan to print 10 million cards. Writing this post was triggered by a comment from Scott Latham on my previous post on Unlimited. Thus, an uncommon card printed in The Dark would be 26 times more common than an uncommon card from Magic: The Gathering, Limited Edition. High quality Mtg inspired Art Prints by independent artists and designers from around the world. It became apparent that if such a huge amount of product were released it would ruin the collectability of The Dark. Proofs are true magic cards on the front with a solid white back. I read somewhere long ago thought that the dark commons were the first printings of Arabian i December and that the lightened them up for a second batch in January 94. approximately 390 million). It was released in December 1993. Can you source your numbers please? But estimating how many of the Alpha cards that survived past 93/94 would of course be nothing more than guesswork. Long story short, our initial guesses were wrong regardless, and after minor digging on the web I found that the correct answer is that one quadrant of the common sheet got overprinted, and that the basics were replacing copies of particular commons of each color (the accidental Mountain should have been Desert Nomads). Its print run of 2.6 million cards sold out very quickly and was replaced by Limited Edition's Beta print run. However, after all those orders came in, WotC became very concerned. It only came in booster packs, so no fuss there either. Get Our Products On . 16,379 . Enter Your Decklist. copies of each common card printed between Alpha and Beta combined. 340 was the latter number of the two, so maybe that one is the most correct? Undoubtedly most of this attrition happened within the first 5-10 years, but this was during a time before such things were recognized as possibly holding monetary value. Hah, already covered the basics here while discussing Revised. And then there's math. Nights, Antiquities and The Dark combined. Fallen Empires was somewhere between 300-400 million cards, with the two more exact official statements being 321 million and 340 million (both of them from 1995 in different publications of The Duelist). Maybe slightly less, as 100,000 seems like a rounded number and if it were more he probably would have stated "more than 100,000 decks" to make his point harder.

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